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  1. MoeMoney

    CampFI conference report (Financial Independence)

    Hi CampFI buddy! Great po, Steve. It was fabulous meeting up with one of the smartest teachers I know, in person! I’m looking forward to collaborating soon. I met one teacher, adaptive Physical Education, from Las Vegas. He was surprised no one in his district could answer any questions about the 403b plan. Shocker, I know. He had an earful from me and I suspect he might have found us here already, though he started school this week. Georgiana likened the intentionality of saving and spending to meditation, in a way that made sense to this group. It’s about setting your intentions and following through. Really impressed with the age spread, 40’s and 50’s were represented too, and the interest in sharing. Check out a CampFI if it comes your way. It’s an offshoot of Choose FI. I wrote a few blog posts on the perils of the 403b’s on its website.
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    New Teacher Choosing a Provider

    Duncan, Congratulations on a our new job! And also for starting investing in yourself so soon. I’m impressed that you are, and that you sought help here first. Big kudos to you! Do you know who your third party administrator is for your district, if they use one? If you are in NY, and you have access to Vanguard and a Fidelity, I want your TPA instead of OMNI. They do not allow them. You can retire sooner than age 60 if you max out both your 457 and 403b, and that’s no lie! Start saving the max if you are in the position to do so, and do not let lifestyle creep catch up to you. And listen to Choose FI and the Millionaire Educator. Good luck at school and investing!
  3. PE teacher, That is wonderful news! Great job! Your teachers understand how lucky they are that you preserved. Would you mind sharing some of the materials you used? I’ve been working on putting something more formal together when I talk to colleagues. Again, congratulations.
  4. Congratulations Dan!! Looking forward to reading this edition too! Thanks for enlightening so many people....
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    New Teacher 403b Options

    Congratulations on following your instincts and finding this forum. You will thank yourself a million times. It's apparent you are doing the research and following through. I searched your TSA and found that one distirct above Lancaster, Kutztown, has other vendors on their list. Vanguard is on there and that caught my eye. That gives those of us here hope. Next, follow Ed's advice and seek out your district's business office or school board members to find out how to add them to your list. It seems likely you will not have a difficult time to add to it since your TSA has relationships with them already. While it might seem wonderful to invest in Vanguard, doing it via one of your 4 vendors is loaded with useless (make the salesman rich) fees, as Ed pointed out. Keep going. It's only Wednesday!
  6. I just asked OMNI how I can get appointed onto their P3 Advisory Committee. Stay tuned.... Ed, good point. I seem to remember Tara mentioning the TPA's in the article. Perhaps we can get her to dig deeper as you suggest. Great idea.
  7. Absolutely a great point Ed. I did use "air quotes" because they are not officially blacklisted, as far as I know, anyway. Our TPA is huge, OMNI, and they work for our district. But if you ask the district for any changes, better choices, or any questions for that matter, they close their mouths and refer us to OMNI. They take, or want, no responsibility for the vendors on that list, unless pushed, like in our district to get Aspire added. But things change, staff changes, and perhaps answers change, so it is worth looking into getting Vanguard and Fidelity added again onto OMNI approved vendor list, as Ed pointed out. Here is the direct wording from OMNI's website. From what I see, the committee makes up the criteria for selecting the vendor and one of the criteria is for that vendor to pay OMNI expense fees. Vanguard and Fidelity refuse to pay or pass on those fees, thus keeping them off the list of approved vendors.
  8. Dustin, It's generous of you to write so candidly about finances for the sake of your union's members. It might not be necessary to get personal with your numbers but yet, I like that you are at the same time. Showing real numbers makes it more interesting for people, especially if it's someone "like them". In the beginning you reference the deferred pay plan and then go on to outline your own savings plan. Are there no 457 or 403b plans in IL, making this the only option? If not, it's easy to understand why folks don't want to be responsible for saving on their own, which is because they can't be expected to. I commend you for teaching finance to some of the brightest teachers around. And giving specifics too. Perhaps you have a blog where you can point them to for further reading. If not, think about it. They might seek out more resources before contacting you directly. Also love how you bring in what your students learning about finances too. Thanks for sharing.
  9. Sounds like JAM's best option is Lincoln Investment, as long as it's self--directed and no one prey's upon participants to get a FA/sales rep to manage. The reason why Vanguard and Fidelity aren't easy to add is basically, they have been "blacklisted" by the large Third Party Administrator (TPA) from the approved vendor's list thereby making them nearly impossible to get added on. Like Tony said, reasons are hard to explain but include refusing to pay or pass on the administrative fee that the TPA's and/or vendors charge. Aspire passes on the fee in the form of the 0.15% fee whereas big players like AXA bury it in their other excessive fees. That is my understanding of it, at least, where I am from, Long Island, NY. I tried to add back Vanguard and Fidelity but was turned away in a heartbeat but Aspire was a relatively easy pitch that was added at the one time of the year when the school board approves changes to the 403b lineup. The state-sponsored 457 is the best option for dollars beyond the $5500 (Roth) IRA, as Ed pointed out, where I am but each state and plan is different so you must ask your HR or business dept. or post questions here. The ability to access your 457 funds when you sever service is more valuable than having to wait until age 591/2 regardless of employment status. JAM, while it's great to think about your options, don't try to do it alone. Ask your district the right questions and act, based on your options.
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    403b loan question.

    HI Michael, Clear as glass - thank you!
  11. Hi Steve and Tony! I was somewhat afraid to hit submit to my post above. Thank you for not chiding me! I know and have benefitted immensely from this site Tony and fully understand it's about growing wealth. It doesn't have to be growing wealth slowly though. Magical compounding and low fees plus a high, deliberate savings rate mean it is possible, especially when your partner is doing the same thing. Like Steve, I started teaching and saving later in life, at 41 vs 37, but even for a young person starting out, there's no reason to stop working but having that nest egg earlier certainly brings freedom and has its advantages. Leaving a legacy to my kids was not my primary goal but is certainly something that brings me joy, knowing I can do that AND spend like Steve, when I'm ready to! I am motivated to teach others the benefits of low-cost investing, no doubt about it, and it excites me. I am in no way discouraging that as a lost cause, quite the opposite. I am 56 now and like everyone here, my future plans are shaped by my experiences. I have a 64-year-old husband and we have great adventures planned on a larger scale than what we have always enjoyed, frugally of course. I am just about fully recovered after being hit by a car in Sept. while doing something that brings me immense joy- biking. This inevitably steered me towards shifting my definition of wealth, enough and time. Happily, I am back on my (new) bike and happy (!) to have a sore butt from riding 35-40 miles a day on a bike path as I prepare for a 400 mile week long bike trip in Yellowstone next month. Sorry I went so far off topic. I am very much looking forward to meeting you, Steve, at Camp FI and your GF too. To be around like-minded people online and in person is a joy, one that I value.
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    Permitted Rollovers to 457

    You're right Tony. I was implying that a 457 and an IRA should NOT be rolled into a 403b. A sales rep will want you to "make things simpler" by rolling any IRA's into their 403b.
  13. Great thread. Something about working for 40 plus years before you can safely say you amassed wealth doesn't excite me too much. While there is plenty of fun and exciting living to be had after 65, given the choice, I'd rather amass wealth by my 40's and at a $60K salary, it's not likely, even a remarkably high savings rate. The vast majority of people could not actually achieve this, unlike Tony after a lifetime of two salaries and conscious conservative spending, and Steve too. And no kids. Amassing wealth is meaningful and exciting if done earlier in life, otherwise, it's more of fulfilling an obligation to society to be self-sufficient. And as a society, we are falling short. Wealth is wonderful when it can be enjoyed for more than a few decades. I wanted to achieve FI in order to be free of time constraints and obligations. And I don't want to amass wealth only to leave most of it in my legacy. I suspect I'll be comfortable spending more when I stop working and face my mortality. Liz from the Frugalwoods sounds pretty regular to me except that she is an awesome writer with a knack for storytelling. I believe she's living in Vermont. Check out Meet the Frugalwoods (available at your local library:) and see what Steve and I are talking about.
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    Permitted Rollovers to 457

    Probably not but check with your 457 people. I asked my 457 vendor, New York State Deferred Comp and was told no. You don't want to roll anything into your 403b plan generally.
  15. That's a clear summary. I can imagine confusion as to why you were doing this, on behalf of OCPS employees and you are not one. It sounds like there are many employees. On Long Island, there are about 133 individual school districts, each with their own slate of vendors. There is no single entity. My district has about 250 eligible participants but we are among the smallest on LI. There would need to be action taken in each individual school district and buy-in from the same players times 133. I have appealed to one, but still, there are very few listeners taking charge of their own 403b/457's and the 2 self-direct options now available to them. Thanks for your efforts and for summarizing. Yes, we'll probably be reading your new blog post shortly, now that you wrote it here. Believe it or not, I've struggled with revealing my identity vs. anonymity on my 403b website but don't think it matters at this point, and it will propel me forward. I'll be adding it and sharing it here shortly.